Canadian Poster Campaign Carries Gun Control Message

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Let's not revisit that heated gun control debate we stirred up a short time ago but rather appreciate a new 172 john st-created Canadian gun control pro-bono campaign for its stark simplicity and directness of message. Reacting to an increase in gun violence, the online initiative, Stop the Guns, has launched this poster campaign which portrays people with gun range targets on them and the headline, "Gun Crime Affects Us All."

by Steve Hall    May-17-07   Click to Comment   
Topic: Good, Outdoor, Poster   

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Hhmmmm. let's see... Canada has Gun Control in place, but their gun violence is on the increase? Could it be that the criminals know that the law abiding citizens have had their guns taken away? Go figure.

Posted by: DLong on May 17, 2007 1:46 PM

Hhmmmm. let's see... Canada has Gun Control in place, but their gun violence is on the increase? Could it be that the criminals know that the law abiding citizens have had their guns taken away?

Go figure.

Posted by: DLong on May 17, 2007 1:48 PM

Hhmmmm. let's see... Canada has Gun Control in place, but their gun violence is on the increase? Could it be that the criminals know that the law abiding citizens have had their guns taken away?

Go figure.

Posted by: DLong on May 17, 2007 1:52 PM

sorry about the repetition. kept getting an error message.

Posted by: DLong on May 17, 2007 2:04 PM

Hmmm..let's see, or do they share a border with a country where the only limit on getting a gun is having a pulse?

Think for a second, the logic will come eventually.

Posted by: yikes on May 17, 2007 2:04 PM

You know, that's a really cool idea. But I can't help thinking that it's either a) fake, or b) an easy job because it was done for free for a 'probono' client.

Posted by: Danny on May 17, 2007 5:20 PM

Yet again, another Canadian (yikes) blaming proximity to the US as ths source of all of Canadas woes. US gun ownership and our Second Amendment are to blame for Canadian Subjects seeking out evil guns with which to destroy one another? If the United States had draconina gun laws like wonderful/rainbows and butterflies/nothing is ever wrong here Canada, no Canadian would ever harm another Canadian? Perhaps yikes lives in LALA land.
Our rights are not what is wrong with Canada.

Posted by: Daddyojoe1 on May 17, 2007 6:14 PM

Yet again, another Canadian (yikes) blaming proximity to the US as ths source of all of Canadas woes. US gun ownership and our Second Amendment are to blame for Canadian Subjects seeking out evil guns with which to destroy one another? If the United States had draconina gun laws like wonderful/rainbows and butterflies/nothing is ever wrong here Canada, no Canadian would ever harm another Canadian? Perhaps yikes lives in LALA land.
Our rights are not what is wrong with Canada.

Posted by: Daddyojoe1 on May 17, 2007 6:15 PM

love how ANY mention of guns on an advertising blog brings out the Daniel Boones who seem to have inordinate difficulty posting their talking points, er, comments.

So, Daddyyojoe 1, what did you think of the best of show at the one show? innovative use of media or just an excuse to hang with the chemical bros?

Posted by: veedub on May 17, 2007 10:03 PM

Yes veedub like commentors who throw slanders like "Daniel Boone" around instead of rational arguments.

Posted by: DDT on May 18, 2007 9:06 AM

I'm not Canadian, genius. It's just not that hard for me to put two and two together - ie that Buffalo's two hours from Toronto, and guns are easy to hide.

Your right, our rights are not is what is wrong with Canada. But the fact that our rights are a justification for seemingly everyone (ever bought a gun? even for pro-gun crowds, you've got to admit, they're very lax about checking all the rules. Liquor's harder to buy.) to be able to buy a gun, just like that, make it easy for guns to slip across the border.

Anyway, it's a thoughtful poster campaign, but I'd wager it's grossly ineffective, since the prevalence in gun crime there is largely committed by people who won't give a shit.

Posted by: yikes on May 18, 2007 10:28 AM

Dammit, "You're right".

Posted by: yikes on May 18, 2007 10:35 AM


Canadians only have 10% of the population. That's why they don't have the same amount of crime! Duh!
Take North America's 5th largest city, Toronto: there's 5 million people and 70 murders a year...hmmmmm....wait a minute?!

OK - Take a small town like Windsor which is right across the river from Detroit. 2 people were just killed there not too long ago buy a gun and...wait a minute....they were killed by a guy from Detroit.

Hmmmmmmmmmm

When I do the math it seems that the ratio is actually quite different. It seems you're 10 times as likely to be killed in an American city than a Canadian city, and more of the Canadian populatoin live in cities versus the US.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm........

;)

Posted by: Canucks Suck on May 18, 2007 10:59 AM

Interesting how none of this conversation focuses on the criminals who pull the trigger. Blaming inanimate objects for society's problems defocuses us from attacking the causes.

Posted by: DDT on May 18, 2007 11:16 AM

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Yup... let's profile the product, because we all know that works so much better than profiling the shooters.

Posted by: neo on May 18, 2007 11:22 AM

Funny, you sound like a whiney Canadian. So we want to talk facts? True or false: Israel is a very dangerous place to live, and is awash with psychopaths armed with automatic weapons. A: True. Now, how many school shootings have occured there in the past 10 years? A: 0. Why? all school staff are ARMED.
Second question. What do Columbine, Virginia Tech, The Amish School shooting, the Montreal Canada School shooting, Red Lake Minnesota, ad infinitum (that means to infinity in Latin, yikes) all have in common? They are GUN FREE ZONES! Gee, yikes, you are probably smarter than dumb old me, because all I have is a Masters Degree in Development Counseling from the U of I, but it kind of looks like all the Danial Boones out there are right. All gun laws do is create a population of defensless victims, ripe for the slaughter, just like the V Tech incident.
It would be wonderful to live in a LA-LA Land where everyone gets along and sings CUM-BA-YAH together every night, but unfortunatly, the world is not like that, and is in fact a very dangerous place to live. If you want to bury your face in the sand and trust the government to protect you, that is indeed your right. I am afraid that your survivors will find out, though, like many others have, that all the police are good for is taking pictures of the crime scene.
I will admit that perhaps the Canadians are right, and that a Canadian girl who has been raped and strangled with her own panty hose is moraly superior to an American girl who has filled her attacker with bullet holes, or the Canadian shooting victim is moraly superior to his American counterpart, who fought back and lived, but I would rather have a living daughter or a living freind or co-worker. After all, I am just another dumb old Daniel Boone. I believe in the good guys, and their God given rights.

Posted by: daddyojoe1 on May 18, 2007 2:29 PM

When you're aspiring to be more like Israel (the nation-state, not the people who reside there mind you), where machine guns and armed guards are forced to be near every business, and are in a perpetual state of war, I question your judgement.

However, we are free to disagree, which is at least one great thing about our nation.

PS - I also have a Master's Degree. Doesn't make me any smarter.

Posted by: yikes on May 18, 2007 5:00 PM

Yikes, let me guess it's an arts degree.
You may dispute Israel but what about Switzerland with, "horrors", an assault rifle in every member of the militia's homes.

Posted by: DDT on May 18, 2007 5:17 PM

i grew up in ireland. no guns anywhere. hunters had to apply for rifle licenses and prove they weren't bonkers before they got one. nobody got shot. ever. why? because there were no guns.

gun control works. and only an hysterical nutcase would disagree. and lo and behold, only hysterical nutcases are disagreeing.

see above.


Posted by: veedub on May 18, 2007 5:22 PM

Master of Science. Communications, specifically.

Thanks veedub, you said it through experience better than I would've.

DDT, you and I are not going to agree. And that's ok by me, I've said my peace.

Have a great one.

Posted by: yikes on May 18, 2007 6:00 PM

Oh ya, real hard to buy guns in Ireland; jusy ask the IRA.

Posted by: Cool Blue on May 18, 2007 6:23 PM

You are aware Ireland and Northern Ireland (where the NRA operates) are two different countries, right?

Posted by: yikes on May 18, 2007 9:08 PM

Cool Blue,

the IRA always had to go to very great lengths to get guns. due to the quite sensible controls placed on deadly weapons of all kinds by both the UK and the Rep. of Ireland.

the IRA got theirs from Libya mostly. Ghadafy was a fan. or they imported them at great effort and cost from the USA. they were always big fans of the Armalite assault rifle.

i was once approached in an irish pub in NYC by an IRA guy. he wanted me to go upstate the next day and buy an assault rifle with money he provided. the rifle would then have been broken down into pieces and the constituent parts mailed to ireland separately. it was an ongoing scheme.

you see, and here's the funny part, all you needed to buy a semi-automatic assault rifle (which was then easily modified to a fully automatic) was a frigging valid NY driving license!!! because there's absolutely no gun control in this country. it's crazy!

i assured the IRA guy i would, but actually didn't do it. too hung over. plus it was an early start to go upstate. and i wasn't really that into the IRA to begin with.

Posted by: veedub on May 19, 2007 12:03 AM

Does anyone know which agency did these?

Posted by: c-note on May 20, 2007 3:53 PM

Um, 172 john st, c-note, just like it says in the article:-)

Posted by: Steve Hall on May 20, 2007 4:57 PM

Yeah. never heard of them.

Posted by: C-note on May 21, 2007 1:53 PM

The United States is a social wreck, with guns in every hand. Children die by the thousands from gunshot wounds, and, "machine guns and armed guards are forced to be near every business, and are in a perpetual state of war!" But we must not become like Israel, which is a wreck with guns in every hand and "machine guns and armed guards are forced to be near every business, and are in a perpetual state of war."

You can not have it both ways, veedub. We are either living in a bloodthirsty society awash with guns and violence and death or we are not. If you like statistics, the number 1 killer of children in the U.S. is swimming pools, followed by bicycles, and skateboards. (look it up, because I know you do not believe me, because I am only one of the "hysterical nutcases") Yet we hear no outcry to ban pools and bikes.

The point of all this is that violence in our country is a complex issue, with no easy fix. A hunting and shooting sports subculture has grown in this country since its inception, and for years has been a bulwark in our national defense: a nation of riflemen. Yamamoto himself said that the Japanese had no plans to invade the mainland because he said "there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." Millions of Americans have grown up shooting and hunting, and never had a brush with the law. Prior to the 1950's, most Americans had the experience of shooting. There were no school shootings, even though the per capita numbers of guns were only slightly lower than they are now. Since the Gun Control Act of 1968(which is almost a verbatum traslation of the Nazi Gun Control Law of 1933), however, gun owners and sportsmen have been under attack for reasons they do not understand. Law abiding people who would never dream of breaking a law are now equated with crimminals. Guns that have been handed down through generations are now called evil, and anyone who wants to own them are lableed "hysterical nutcases." The gun owning and hunting cultures in America thus see their way of life threatened by politicians seeking this seemingly magic cure of gun confiscation. This amounts to what we call in my business "cultural genocide." Lets see if I can draw a parallel that veedub can understand.

OK. Thousands of people die in this country each year from alcohol related causes. Drunk drivers kill themselves and everyone else they draw into their accidents. Alcohol causes high blood pressure, which leads to heart attack and stroke. Common sense tells us that we should thus ban alcohol. Only drunken hysterical Irishmen will fail to see the need to control this most insidious and harmful practice and product. Irish culture itself, which is imbued with a tradition of irresponsible alcohol consumption, is not a valid culture. Historical evidence of this is exeplified by the fact that they were easily conquored by a marginally more powerful neighbor, and held captive (for their own good) for many years. The English finally got tired of having to support a bunch of drunken wastrels and withdrew. But because the Irish are a bunch of drunks, only getting three fourths of their homeland back is not good enough for them, and they stage a terrorist campaign for many years to get the rest of it back. Are you pissed off yet, veedub? Do you see what gun owners go through every time they open the newspaper? Kind of sucks, doesn't it? This is another example of cultural genocide. The people are not bad, it is their nutcase culture that is flawed, so lets get rid of it.

Sadly, veedub, I can not explain it to you so that you will understand. Coming from what I assume to be a European background, you have no sense of the idividualism and self reliance that many Americans here in the heartland still posess. Both my father and grandfather fought in both world wars, respectivly. I grew up on tales of true heroism, not Batman and Spiderman. I got my first revolver (OH, HORRORS) at the ripe old age of 10. and I never shot anybody. I was raised on the idea that I was responsible for every round that I fired, and at 10 I understood this.

Canadians Irishmen, and Europeans come from a society with a collectivist mindset. The Swedish and Norweigan concepts of "just enough" are a good example of this. This is fine and necessary for people who are forced together in a small area, and for the most part explains the real reason that violent crime (including gun crimes) occur at a lower rate than here in the States. "I am a British SUBJECT, and I knows me place" is the mindset of the English. The idea of Kings and Lords and Dukes and Barons is alive and well, and people have no problem with the idea that there are people that are superior to them by the mere right of birth. This is also true in Japan, and the real reason for their low rate of gun crime. Americans hate this idea, with our afore mentioned concepts of freedom and personal responsibility holding sway. That there are fewer guns available is a misguided idea. Your tirade about the IRA and the Pub is probably based more on alcohol fumes than truth and makes for a good bar bull***t story. Why would the IRA smuggle semi-auto Kalashnikovs all the way from the States when they can buy any type of REAL ex-Soviet Bloc military hardware they want at fire sale prices directly from the source? Is the idea that it is easy to smuggle things into countries where there is a demand for them so hard to grasp? Certain drugs are illegal everywhere in the world, yet they cross borders in amounts measuerd in metric tons with impunity. But guns are hard to come by? Come on. I was born at night, it is true, but it was not last night.

It is a sad thing for my country that the kings and queens that we left behind in the old country are being replaced by the new Aristocracy; politicians, the police (who are not obligated to protect the people, by the way), and the uber-wealthy. The colectivist mindset of the Europeans is replacing our disinctly American one, which is now vilified in films ,the media, and our pathetic pop culture. The wild west was not as wild as Hollywood would have us believe, and gun crime, while sensational, is not as prevalent as cmmunications majors like to portray.

I am not a nutcase, or a crimminal. I am a gun owner, I go to church every Sunday, and I believe in helping the poor and those less fortunate than me. I have 6 children that I am raising in the way I was taught, and firearms are enjoyed responsibly by us all. Politicians, especialy Democrats, are trying there damndest to kill off my culture, with the full co-operation of the yikes and veedubs of the world, and I can not for the life of me figure out why anyone who claims to hold Masters degrees from major universities would be so stupid as to throw away the rights that have made America into what it is today. Rights that were paid for with blood? When the Second amendment goes, do you think the government will stop there? Are you OK with living in a land with no first amendment rights? No third, fifth, and ninth amendments? Do you want to trade your rights for a little safety? You will lose your rights, but get no safety, guarranteed. Veedub, if England and Ireland are such wondeful places to be, why don't you move there? ( You won't, because this is the best country on earth)

You both are not bad people like you aparently think I am. It is you two who are misguided. Do a little research into guns and crime. Stick to academic reports, not the drivel that comes from the media. At worst you will find that gun control has no effect on crime. At best you will see things my way. I am now officially done trying to educate people who should know better.

God save us from the anti-gun nuts.

Posted by: Daddyojoe1 on May 21, 2007 3:29 PM

daddyojoe1,

go fuck yourself, you long-winded, small-minded ignorant racist.

and god help your poor children.

Posted by: vinny warren on May 21, 2007 5:07 PM

Vinny, Vinny, Vinny. It looks like you proved the right wing pundits right after all. Is it Rush Limbaugh who says that when you put a left-wing loony up against the wall using reasonable debate and a few facts, they resort to name calling, profanity, and ad-hominim attacks? Please feel free to prove the conservatives point any time you feel up to it.

That reminds me. If you like quotes and all things English and/or European, Sir Winston Churchill has a good one for you. Here it is: "If you are not a Liberal by the time you are 20, you haven't got a heart, and if you are not a Conservative by the time you are 30, you haven't got a brain."

To your first statement, this is both physically impossible and morally wrong. I am strictly heterosexual.

To your second statement, I am assuming you are upset about the Irish example? I was merely using the Irish Parallel as an example of how true narrow minded bigots think, and how gun owners are treated by the rest of society. I can see that it made you very angry, as intended. Now pretend you are a gun owner that has been villified in the same manner, and you will perhaps begin to see how we gun owners feel. I'm half Irish myself, so don't go there anymore.

I might be long winded. But when one feels as strongly about the issue as I do, it is easy to get carried away.

Oh, I got my undergrad Summa Cum Laude, and my Masters with a 3.9, if you care to know. This does not make me small minded in any way. You brought it up, so I told you.

If you are asking God (The accepted convention is to capitalize the word God, Vinny)to make my children better marksmen, you are barking up the wrong tree. Good marksmanship is a function of a great deal of practice. Perfect practice makes perfect, is the doggerel one hears at the shooting range. None of us around here are rated "poor" when it comes to the handling of firearms, by the way.

Thank you for invoking God on my behalf if you mean you want Him to help my children in a general way. I ask for His help every nightmyself in my prayers, and now I will ask Him to help you too.

If your meaning of poor kids is $$$, I ask you, does anyone ever have enough? We get by, though and manage to pay the ammunition bill, as well.

Vinny, I will teach my children safe marksmanship skills, and what it means to be a good citizen. I hope you will too, and not teach them to swear and use foul language any more, like you have on the internet. Try maturity for a change. You might like it.

Veedub and yikes. Please accept my apology if I have offended you in any way. Looking back, I might have come across as a hard case, but I am rather touchy on this issue. I do not usually rant about things on discussion boards. Thanks for being good citizens, and we will have to agree to disagree.

Posted by: Daddyojoe1 on May 22, 2007 11:48 PM

You haven't offended me at all. I'm comfortable disagreeing. I'm also comfortable with the fact that I could be wrong, but I still believe I'm not.

Back to the topic of the post, the site these posters are advertising is a petition to impose stricter penalties for those who break Canada's gun laws. Not impose new ones.

It's hard to me to see how any conservative couldn't support that.

The petition was started after a violent gun death, which is a relatively rare occurrence in Toronto.

And no, I'm still not Canadian. Whiny is subjective, but I'd like to think I'm just vocal.

Posted by: yikes on May 23, 2007 1:33 PM

vinny and i are one and the same. i'm irish and you made an undeniably racist comment directed towards me and mine. hence the go fuck youself remark. which i really, really meant. shove your apology up your stupid ass/arse.

Posted by: veedub on May 23, 2007 11:15 PM

I work down here in toronto and the only places i have seen these posters (3 different places) are all areas that are heavily populated durring business hours by rich upper class suits. This same area is almost completly deserted after business hours and on weekends. It is a good ad in my opinion but the areas of toronto that actually have gun violence are in the complete opposite direction of this area. so the message is not being delivered to the right people.

Posted by: jonny5 on May 25, 2007 4:04 PM

I work down here in toronto and the only places i have seen these posters (3 different places) are all areas that are heavily populated durring business hours by rich upper class suits. This same area is almost completly deserted after business hours and on weekends. It is a good ad in my opinion but the areas of toronto that actually have gun violence are in the complete opposite direction of this area. so the message is not being delivered to the right people.

Posted by: jonny5 on May 25, 2007 4:08 PM

Then you should go back to the Emerald Isles (North or South?) if you hate guns so much. People in Ireland have to have two names now?

On second thought Northern Ireland Irishmen are not really Irishmen anyway, so go home to England instead. If it were not for the U.S, you would all be speaking German now.

I would call you a son of a bitch if I were a vulgar braggart, I could never do that. But, I do hope that when you get home your mother runs out from under the front porch and bites you.

Have a good trip!

Posted by: daddyojoe1 on May 25, 2007 9:30 PM

I live in Toronto too. I've seen the ads in the upper class areas, but I've also seen them in metro areas where gun violence is probably more relevant as well. Wow, there's a lot of hate in this forum.

Posted by: tiana on May 25, 2007 9:56 PM

I live in Toronto too. I've seen the ads in the upper class areas, but I've also seen them in metro areas where gun violence is probably more relevant as well. Wow, there's a lot of hate in this forum.

Posted by: tiana on May 25, 2007 9:57 PM

Look at the stats for cause of death in Canada. Then if you still want to worry about legal Canadian gun owners, look into who is using guns in violent crimes. Then go feed your unicorn and float around on a rainbow.

Ban chinese products not guns, there is a real issue to worry about. How many people die of lung cancer in Canada every year? How about banning cigarettes? Anti-gun people are the biggest hypocrits on earth.

hoo raa

Posted by: Cdubb on May 28, 2007 10:19 AM

Canadian Poster Campaign Carries Gun Control Message


Depends on how you look at it.

Personally, I see a group of potential targets for gun-wielding criminals.

An armed society is a polite society.

Posted by: Just Cirroc on May 31, 2007 9:02 PM

we should worry more about cigerets rather then guns. it is also a fact that places with high gun control have higher crime, and places with less gun control have lower crime regardless on population and were the place is. but the lebral media don't want us to know this.

Posted by: matt on December 6, 2007 1:25 PM

America is not 'awash in crime" or in a constant state of war as the media would lead one to beleive. the truth of the matter is for the most part it's a very peaceful and law aiding country. When all you read is the "news" all you will see are the sensationalistic incidents which means every crime fit to print.

By the way, I tough both of my childern (1 girl 1 boy) how to safley and effectively handle a firearm. Both own a handgun and nither would allow someone to hurt thme before using it. My bet is they will never even have to make that choice in thier life, but why take chances. the world is full of evil.

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